Post by Bill Newbold on Jul 19, 2011 22:21:44 GMT -5
Paradox meet the tridoxical effect // from a post in the exact nature group..
by Bill Newbold on Thursday, July 14, 2011 at 4:06pm
consider the highway in life.
or the freeway
or speedway
anyway, you ask what is a tridox;
ok we know the paradox right:
we win by admitting defeat?
or up is down when you down is up, and of course vice a versa as well versa vice-a, if you see,
but the tridox?
if we are moving forward in time we are not moving backward in time...
if we are moving backward in time then we are not moving forward in time...
paradox is we are doing both were the old is new and the new is old..
say we are not moving,,, then what? ok from a not tech idea this is= that we are going nowhere,,,
or we go everywhere ,,, now nowhere is here somewhere is everywhere but what is everywhere just a large case of nowhere., ahhhhh the case, the box given a cat in the box or not a cat in the box we have no idea hence the paradox of the cat and the box (btw) this is an actual real paradox LOL-paradox after paradox lets say for this moment there is nothing going up or down left or right back or forth/so what/ or now say all three are happening then what? we might have variable degrees of each direction giving us endless possibilities right? so say we go forward in time or backward in time or stay the same... all to different degrees of there and back ... there and back again... so we are already there but here too. still and moving moving still. so . and so on, but what is like solid is now like liquid or air and air can be just as solid sorta.. we are missing the point of the exact nature where three things occur in simultaneous experiences yet nothing actually happens... sure ,, what/ever carry yarn and such right? if it were important enough/: I could be able to explain this better ..,,
(((and rewrite this .doc.)))
first stage of the idea.. expect this to continue more so later
planning to explain the idea in terms of sycronizations in N dimesions
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Michael Paul Tamilio Water, Ice, Gas, all are H2O. Is there a conflict? No. When speaking of paradox in dimensions, we lose the purpose of paradox because there is no paradox in dimensions. X Y Z, N, S, E, W, there is nothing absurd or hard to understand, there...See More
July 14 at 4:33pm · Like
Bill Newbold say there is a link between time space and mind ok then if the three of these "ideas" are all cancling out each other but still manifesting the concepts of time space and mind simultaniously then is that an actual paradox or a tridoxical situaiton of being in those dimensions of reality?
July 14 at 4:41pm · Like
Michael Paul Tamilio Time is 'one' thing. Space is 'one' thing. The mind is 'one' thing. All separate one from the other though they are all going on at the same time, and we can include many others, matter, energy, etc.. No paradox, nor tridox, nor quadrox, lol, do you miss me Bill? (:
July 14 at 4:45pm · Like
Bill Newbold wait your not a believer of the paradox thing? mmmm I am bark on the wrong tree as they say sometimes... LOL yes you are so grounded that I really miss
July 14 at 4:49pm · Like · 1 person
Michael Paul Tamilio I do believe in paradox! It just does not apply in many situations/instances you have mentioned. I miss you too...
July 14 at 4:52pm · Like
Bill Newbold we know life is a paradox(catch-22) right? so is all of life paradoxical?
July 14 at 9:58pm · Like
Michael Paul Tamilio It seems to me that you have this predetermined belief system that connects everything to everything else. As though we were all just drops of water in the ocean. What in the world does a catch-22 have to do with paradox? Catch-22 means bas...See More
July 15 at 12:19am · Like
Bill Newbold woot mike... I know God has better plans then living in sin, even for the ones that do not know God is.
July 15 at 12:57am · Like
Colin Vincent I suppose space could be timeless, in the sense of it being empty nothing ever happens so time cannot be 'seen' to pass. Yet, if space is not in and through time it cannot be but a non-existent point. If a time-space arises in the void but no-one is there to see it, does it really arise?
July 15 at 11:39pm · Like
Bill Newbold have to say yes simple explanation if a tree falls in the woods (which sometimes happens) the vibrations cause sound no one hears it but still the physics of the movement in air is the base definition of sound. I think the same is true with the time space problem where there is no one to watch the watch but the watch still changes by the seconds...
Saturday at 1:25pm · Like
Michael Paul Tamilio So your saying, not only must there be an Intelligent Designer, but there must also be a Sustainer. Certainly only the One who designed can properly sustain, so they are one and the same, Creator/Sustainer/I AM WHO I AM...
Saturday at 1:39pm · Like
Bill Newbold SAID=Symbolic Artificial Intelligent Design we are developing these symbolic AI workings for now you and I are you and I for now.. If you will.(do you like my kitty?)
Saturday at 1:53pm · Like
Michael Paul Tamilio We are not developing symbolic AI workings, they were here since their creation, we are simply beginning to observe the 'how' and 'why' things are the way they are. Science is the search for causes, we do this by studying the effects, w...See More
Saturday at 2:01pm · Like
Bill Newbold the kitten was found in a wood pile so Woodstock lol(really should of been her name but she is Starlite... more then just stardust since we are all more then just stardust
Saturday at 2:08pm · Like · 1 person
Colin Vincent What if the kitten wandered off before you found her? To you, wouldn't it be like she was never there? Without consciousness of it, how is space-time any different to nothing ever? We can figure out that a tree makes a sound as it falls (tho no-one hears it), but only cos of consciousness of said physics of sound.
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Colin Vincent 7 - 1 = 0. The seven dimensions of being. Take away any one of those dimensions and the result is, or might as well be, nothing. If it's not a question of conceivable actualities, then it's a question of 'relevance' or 'in effect' or - hear we go again.. - 'meaning' and 'purpose'. Maybe a more detailed explanation, later..
Sunday at 1:23am · Like
Colin Vincent Oh.. I should say, my thoughts are addressed to Michael primarily. Time, space and mind might be considered different and distinct 'things', but they are inextricably linked in the sense that if you remove any one of them the others would, in effect if not actually, cease to exist.
Sunday at 2:13am · Like
Bill Newbold ahhh the interdependence of everything very nice
Sunday at 3:56am · Like
Michael Paul Tamilio How can one say that if these things, any one of them, cease to exist, merely because your own experience has seemingly depended on them, that all others would? Nonsense. People's minds cease to exist every single day and the time/space con...See More
Sunday at 8:18am · Like
Bill Newbold Mike.. subjectively we are interdependent objectively there is no dependence to either the subject or the object. with knowledge (back on topic-LOL) the subject either knows the object of his knowledge or not. the thing is I find that after thinking thru some time frames we can subjetiviefy? any knowledge into an objective focus.
Sunday at 9:33am · Like
Colin Vincent Objectively, we can now say there was a kitten in the woodpile whether anyone knew it or not. Subjectively, unless she had been found there would be no knowledge of the event. That is not to say she was never there but, without us being awa...See More
Sunday at 9:15pm · Like · 1 person
Colin Vincent Um.. Suppose I ought make some OT remark as well. lol Still figuring how and where time fits my own sevenfold interdependency equation - how it is necessary, relevant and, hence, might be defined. Maybe then.. when now is both past and future.........................
Yesterday at 2:38am · Like
Michael Paul Tamilio Yesterday and tomorrow are thieve's, always stealing today. (:
Yesterday at 11:09am · Like
Colin Vincent Is not now also then? When.. It silently steals from that which was into that to come - ever unfolding to mystery, as it becomes its own history.
Yesterday at 9:26pm · Like
Michael Paul Tamilio When does now become history? To be technical history does not exist, it did exist when it was now, but now, now is all there is. All nonsensically talking in circles can be fun but also a dangerous waste of time, but I choose it any day o...See More
Yesterday at 9:26pm · Like
Colin Vincent If history was not, then neither would we be. As I intend to press "Enter" in the near future. As I do, this is now history. (Well.. It's My Story anyroad. lol)
Yesterday at 9:33pm · Like
Michael Paul Tamilio Neither before nor later can be now. That's a fact Jack, and I'm sticking to it. (:
Yesterday at 9:35pm · Like
Michael Paul Tamilio I did not say it is impossible, just a fact, for now, for us, controlled by the parameters Jehovah has set for us. Facts can change! It is a fact today I have hair, tomorrow I shave and it is no longer a fact. Truth never changes, though fa...See More
Yesterday at 9:39pm · Like
Bill Newbold control is illusion first off. what was is to be will neither be of nor even if it is what it was there of.
Yesterday at 9:43pm · Like
Bill Newbold difference between me and you is what you and I could call each other now or later with that meaning that, and this meaning what is, is yet
Yesterday at 9:44pm · Like
Bill Newbold the real truisms of thought and mind but mind you think you thought that yet I thought you knew. right? getting lost between the lines I am. Yet finding details that have less meaning that what is meant by thinking truths and falsehoods...
Yesterday at 9:47pm · Like
Colin Vincent Immutable and everlasting Truth. Jehovah does not change, yet causes [all else] to become. I take this for a fact also - the seventh (or, rather, the first) dimension of being. One might think I'm playing with words. One might be correct in...See More
Yesterday at 10:18pm · Like
Colin Vincent First or seventh? 'First AND last', the Bible says, and, '..that God may be all things to everyone.'. Not
Yesterday at 10:34pm · Like
Colin Vincent Not (I was gonna say) strictly "all things", but the all important 'thing', or, perhaps more accurately, the importance of "things".
Yesterday at 10:37pm · Like
Bill Newbold things are things they come and go like life itself to the end of the road... where does one park when there is the word wrong the only wrong word or are there others that disagree in someway?
Yesterday at 10:38pm · Like
Colin Vincent Arriving at, in or on time - once again.. Neither what was nor what is to be exist at present. There is only now. Yet... What is now, but the flux between two non-existent states?
Yesterday at 10:58pm · Like
Bill Newbold changing the effect of now to make it a longer moment in the flux what would happen if we were totally like always NOW, then would being born or dying actually happen?
23 hours ago · Like
Colin Vincent Nothing would happen if you could change the flux to a state. Same as if nothing ever happens - there is no flux of change. Tho we are, or seem to ourselves to be, always in the present moment it is evident that what is not now DID exist (w...See More
23 hours ago · Like
Colin Vincent As things come and go, as does life itself, so the road leads to its end. Is that end something/somewhere or nothing/nowhere? Life seems 'important' to us on the subjective level, but in the universal/eternal scheme of things and purely obj...See More
22 hours ago · Like
Bill Newbold "wrong" is the only wrong word I know, really. simantics I just have a beef with that word wrong. It was not what you were saying that is by far great! the theater is dead but we still enjoy acting like we are not. mmmm we statements ge...See More
22 hours ago · Like
Colin Vincent lol. OK, I see what you mean by "the word wrong" now. It's maybe just me (and maybe a few others) who sees something 'wrong' with a road to nowhere. Not entirely like, but about as useful as, trying to determine the length of an endless piece of string.
21 hours ago · Like
Bill Newbold string theory is great till the cat in the box eats all the string in theory there is no cat in a box but maybe it just does not matter we should think neither outside nor inside the box because we are the box they say make do create, buy sell consume they are wrong,,
21 hours ago · Like
Bill Newbold you know this is comment number 43 so we have gone beyond the answer to everything
21 hours ago · Like
Colin Vincent lol. So.. What was the question?
21 hours ago · Like
Bill Newbold smiles ... the hitchhiker was again avoiding our galaxy, due to construction of the cosmic superhighway. LOL and asked the computer what is the meaning of the universe?
20 hours ago · Like
Bill Newbold www.youtube.com/watch?v=aboZctrHfK8
20 hours ago · Like
Colin Vincent Stupid mice. If they was so smart, how come they couldn't of stopped the Vogon 'construction' crew from turning up just at the instant a girl in a coffee shop figured it out? Now, I guess, we'll never know. lol
3 hours ago · Like
Bill Newbold did we ever really know anything? really?
2 hours ago · Like
Colin Vincent Did we ever not? really?
2 hours ago · Like
Bill Newbold if it is ok with Michael and Colin I would like to post this as an example of linear thought process in my forum http://universe9.proboards.com/index.cgi
about an hour ago · Like
by Bill Newbold on Thursday, July 14, 2011 at 4:06pm
consider the highway in life.
or the freeway
or speedway
anyway, you ask what is a tridox;
ok we know the paradox right:
we win by admitting defeat?
or up is down when you down is up, and of course vice a versa as well versa vice-a, if you see,
but the tridox?
if we are moving forward in time we are not moving backward in time...
if we are moving backward in time then we are not moving forward in time...
paradox is we are doing both were the old is new and the new is old..
say we are not moving,,, then what? ok from a not tech idea this is= that we are going nowhere,,,
or we go everywhere ,,, now nowhere is here somewhere is everywhere but what is everywhere just a large case of nowhere., ahhhhh the case, the box given a cat in the box or not a cat in the box we have no idea hence the paradox of the cat and the box (btw) this is an actual real paradox LOL-paradox after paradox lets say for this moment there is nothing going up or down left or right back or forth/so what/ or now say all three are happening then what? we might have variable degrees of each direction giving us endless possibilities right? so say we go forward in time or backward in time or stay the same... all to different degrees of there and back ... there and back again... so we are already there but here too. still and moving moving still. so . and so on, but what is like solid is now like liquid or air and air can be just as solid sorta.. we are missing the point of the exact nature where three things occur in simultaneous experiences yet nothing actually happens... sure ,, what/ever carry yarn and such right? if it were important enough/: I could be able to explain this better ..,,
(((and rewrite this .doc.)))first stage of the idea.. expect this to continue more so later
planning to explain the idea in terms of sycronizations in N dimesions
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Michael Paul Tamilio Water, Ice, Gas, all are H2O. Is there a conflict? No. When speaking of paradox in dimensions, we lose the purpose of paradox because there is no paradox in dimensions. X Y Z, N, S, E, W, there is nothing absurd or hard to understand, there...See More
July 14 at 4:33pm · Like
Bill Newbold say there is a link between time space and mind ok then if the three of these "ideas" are all cancling out each other but still manifesting the concepts of time space and mind simultaniously then is that an actual paradox or a tridoxical situaiton of being in those dimensions of reality?
July 14 at 4:41pm · Like
Michael Paul Tamilio Time is 'one' thing. Space is 'one' thing. The mind is 'one' thing. All separate one from the other though they are all going on at the same time, and we can include many others, matter, energy, etc.. No paradox, nor tridox, nor quadrox, lol, do you miss me Bill? (:
July 14 at 4:45pm · Like
Bill Newbold wait your not a believer of the paradox thing? mmmm I am bark on the wrong tree as they say sometimes... LOL yes you are so grounded that I really miss
July 14 at 4:49pm · Like · 1 person
Michael Paul Tamilio I do believe in paradox! It just does not apply in many situations/instances you have mentioned. I miss you too...
July 14 at 4:52pm · Like
Bill Newbold we know life is a paradox(catch-22) right? so is all of life paradoxical?
July 14 at 9:58pm · Like
Michael Paul Tamilio It seems to me that you have this predetermined belief system that connects everything to everything else. As though we were all just drops of water in the ocean. What in the world does a catch-22 have to do with paradox? Catch-22 means bas...See More
July 15 at 12:19am · Like
Bill Newbold woot mike...
I know God has better plans then living in sin, even for the ones that do not know God is.July 15 at 12:57am · Like
Colin Vincent I suppose space could be timeless, in the sense of it being empty nothing ever happens so time cannot be 'seen' to pass. Yet, if space is not in and through time it cannot be but a non-existent point. If a time-space arises in the void but no-one is there to see it, does it really arise?
July 15 at 11:39pm · Like
Bill Newbold have to say yes simple explanation if a tree falls in the woods (which sometimes happens) the vibrations cause sound no one hears it but still the physics of the movement in air is the base definition of sound. I think the same is true with the time space problem where there is no one to watch the watch but the watch still changes by the seconds...
Saturday at 1:25pm · Like
Michael Paul Tamilio So your saying, not only must there be an Intelligent Designer, but there must also be a Sustainer. Certainly only the One who designed can properly sustain, so they are one and the same, Creator/Sustainer/I AM WHO I AM...
Saturday at 1:39pm · Like
Bill Newbold SAID=Symbolic Artificial Intelligent Design we are developing these symbolic AI workings for now you and I are you and I for now.. If you will.(do you like my kitty?)
Saturday at 1:53pm · Like
Michael Paul Tamilio We are not developing symbolic AI workings, they were here since their creation, we are simply beginning to observe the 'how' and 'why' things are the way they are. Science is the search for causes, we do this by studying the effects, w...See More
Saturday at 2:01pm · Like
Bill Newbold the kitten was found in a wood pile so Woodstock lol(really should of been her name but she is Starlite... more then just stardust since we are all more then just stardust
Saturday at 2:08pm · Like · 1 person
Colin Vincent What if the kitten wandered off before you found her? To you, wouldn't it be like she was never there? Without consciousness of it, how is space-time any different to nothing ever? We can figure out that a tree makes a sound as it falls (tho no-one hears it), but only cos of consciousness of said physics of sound.
Saturday at 8:44pm · Unlike · 1 person
Colin Vincent 7 - 1 = 0. The seven dimensions of being. Take away any one of those dimensions and the result is, or might as well be, nothing. If it's not a question of conceivable actualities, then it's a question of 'relevance' or 'in effect' or - hear we go again.. - 'meaning' and 'purpose'. Maybe a more detailed explanation, later..
Sunday at 1:23am · Like
Colin Vincent Oh.. I should say, my thoughts are addressed to Michael primarily. Time, space and mind might be considered different and distinct 'things', but they are inextricably linked in the sense that if you remove any one of them the others would, in effect if not actually, cease to exist.
Sunday at 2:13am · Like
Bill Newbold ahhh the interdependence of everything very nice
Sunday at 3:56am · Like
Michael Paul Tamilio How can one say that if these things, any one of them, cease to exist, merely because your own experience has seemingly depended on them, that all others would? Nonsense. People's minds cease to exist every single day and the time/space con...See More
Sunday at 8:18am · Like
Bill Newbold Mike.. subjectively we are interdependent objectively there is no dependence to either the subject or the object. with knowledge (back on topic-LOL) the subject either knows the object of his knowledge or not. the thing is I find that after thinking thru some time frames we can subjetiviefy? any knowledge into an objective focus.
Sunday at 9:33am · Like
Colin Vincent Objectively, we can now say there was a kitten in the woodpile whether anyone knew it or not. Subjectively, unless she had been found there would be no knowledge of the event. That is not to say she was never there but, without us being awa...See More
Sunday at 9:15pm · Like · 1 person
Colin Vincent Um.. Suppose I ought make some OT remark as well. lol Still figuring how and where time fits my own sevenfold interdependency equation - how it is necessary, relevant and, hence, might be defined. Maybe then.. when now is both past and future.........................
Yesterday at 2:38am · Like
Michael Paul Tamilio Yesterday and tomorrow are thieve's, always stealing today. (:
Yesterday at 11:09am · Like
Colin Vincent Is not now also then? When.. It silently steals from that which was into that to come - ever unfolding to mystery, as it becomes its own history.
Yesterday at 9:26pm · Like
Michael Paul Tamilio When does now become history? To be technical history does not exist, it did exist when it was now, but now, now is all there is. All nonsensically talking in circles can be fun but also a dangerous waste of time, but I choose it any day o...See More
Yesterday at 9:26pm · Like
Colin Vincent If history was not, then neither would we be. As I intend to press "Enter" in the near future. As I do, this is now history. (Well.. It's My Story anyroad. lol)
Yesterday at 9:33pm · Like
Michael Paul Tamilio Neither before nor later can be now. That's a fact Jack, and I'm sticking to it. (:
Yesterday at 9:35pm · Like
Michael Paul Tamilio I did not say it is impossible, just a fact, for now, for us, controlled by the parameters Jehovah has set for us. Facts can change! It is a fact today I have hair, tomorrow I shave and it is no longer a fact. Truth never changes, though fa...See More
Yesterday at 9:39pm · Like
Bill Newbold control is illusion first off. what was is to be will neither be of nor even if it is what it was there of.
Yesterday at 9:43pm · Like
Bill Newbold difference between me and you is what you and I could call each other now or later with that meaning that, and this meaning what is, is yet
Yesterday at 9:44pm · Like
Bill Newbold the real truisms of thought and mind but mind you think you thought that yet I thought you knew. right? getting lost between the lines I am. Yet finding details that have less meaning that what is meant by thinking truths and falsehoods...
Yesterday at 9:47pm · Like
Colin Vincent Immutable and everlasting Truth. Jehovah does not change, yet causes [all else] to become. I take this for a fact also - the seventh (or, rather, the first) dimension of being. One might think I'm playing with words. One might be correct in...See More
Yesterday at 10:18pm · Like
Colin Vincent First or seventh? 'First AND last', the Bible says, and, '..that God may be all things to everyone.'. Not
Yesterday at 10:34pm · Like
Colin Vincent Not (I was gonna say) strictly "all things", but the all important 'thing', or, perhaps more accurately, the importance of "things".
Yesterday at 10:37pm · Like
Bill Newbold things are things they come and go like life itself to the end of the road... where does one park when there is the word wrong the only wrong word or are there others that disagree in someway?
Yesterday at 10:38pm · Like
Colin Vincent Arriving at, in or on time - once again.. Neither what was nor what is to be exist at present. There is only now. Yet... What is now, but the flux between two non-existent states?
Yesterday at 10:58pm · Like
Bill Newbold changing the effect of now to make it a longer moment in the flux what would happen if we were totally like always NOW, then would being born or dying actually happen?
23 hours ago · Like
Colin Vincent Nothing would happen if you could change the flux to a state. Same as if nothing ever happens - there is no flux of change. Tho we are, or seem to ourselves to be, always in the present moment it is evident that what is not now DID exist (w...See More
23 hours ago · Like
Colin Vincent As things come and go, as does life itself, so the road leads to its end. Is that end something/somewhere or nothing/nowhere? Life seems 'important' to us on the subjective level, but in the universal/eternal scheme of things and purely obj...See More
22 hours ago · Like
Bill Newbold "wrong" is the only wrong word I know, really. simantics I just have a beef with that word wrong. It was not what you were saying that is by far great! the theater is dead but we still enjoy acting like we are not. mmmm we statements ge...See More
22 hours ago · Like
Colin Vincent lol. OK, I see what you mean by "the word wrong" now. It's maybe just me (and maybe a few others) who sees something 'wrong' with a road to nowhere. Not entirely like, but about as useful as, trying to determine the length of an endless piece of string.
21 hours ago · Like
Bill Newbold string theory is great till the cat in the box eats all the string in theory there is no cat in a box but maybe it just does not matter we should think neither outside nor inside the box because we are the box they say make do create, buy sell consume they are wrong,,
21 hours ago · Like
Bill Newbold you know this is comment number 43 so we have gone beyond the answer to everything
21 hours ago · Like
Colin Vincent lol. So.. What was the question?
21 hours ago · Like
Bill Newbold smiles ... the hitchhiker was again avoiding our galaxy, due to construction of the cosmic superhighway. LOL and asked the computer what is the meaning of the universe?
20 hours ago · Like
Bill Newbold www.youtube.com/watch?v=aboZctrHfK8
20 hours ago · Like
Colin Vincent Stupid mice. If they was so smart, how come they couldn't of stopped the Vogon 'construction' crew from turning up just at the instant a girl in a coffee shop figured it out? Now, I guess, we'll never know. lol
3 hours ago · Like
Bill Newbold did we ever really know anything? really?
2 hours ago · Like
Colin Vincent Did we ever not? really?
2 hours ago · Like
Bill Newbold if it is ok with Michael and Colin I would like to post this as an example of linear thought process in my forum http://universe9.proboards.com/index.cgi
about an hour ago · Like
